Steve Sand, former chief of the Capitol Police

As reported by Gateway, Tucker Carlson sat down to re-interview former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, as his Fox News interview with Sund was canned following Tucker’s firing. Sund, who was never called to testify before the J6 committee, made serious allegations against the Pentagon leadership of Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell and General Mark Milley.

According to Steve Sund, intelligence agencies had received several warnings of possible violence prior to 6 January, but were not informed. “On Sunday and Monday, they were discussing locking down the city because of concerns of violence. Do you know who issues permits for demonstrations on Capitol Hill? I do,” Sund told Tucker.

“You know who wasn’t told? Me. Instead, on January 4th, what does (Acting Defense Secretary Christopher) Miller do? He gives a memorandum prohibiting the National Guard from carrying various arms, any weapon, any civil disobedience instrument which shall be used for the same demonstration or violence which he sees fit. It makes absolutely no sense.”

Sund said, “I’ve done a number of national special security programs and this was handled very differently… It’s almost like they wanted the intelligence to go down for some reason.” “The way the intelligence was handled and the way we were set up on the hill was not correct.”

On December 22, 2020, Congress changed the law requiring the Capitol Police chief to request approval Capitol Police Board Sund said, and congressional leadership (Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell) would have to request federal resources several days before an event.

Sund said, “I was denied twice, because of the optics, and because the intelligence didn’t support it”, by Paul Irving, House Sergeant at Arms, and Mike Stinger, Senate Sergeant at Arms… on behalf of the House Working for Pelosi and McConnell on behalf of the Senate.”

“I am the only police chief in the country who has a law that prevents me (from protecting the Capitol) – it is insane that Congress pass a law that controls what I can do to protect the Capitol, Even when we are under attack. I have to go to the same two people to request the National Guard to be brought in. I have 340 National Guard that have been activated. There are at least 150 to 180 of them in the city, many of whom are under the eye of the Capitol.”

Sund said, on January 6 at 12:53 p.m. the capitol was attacked. At 12:55 p.m., he called Jeff Carroll, DC’s assistant police chief, asking for support. At 12:58 p.m., he made his first call to the Sergeant at Arms and said, “Hey, this is bad, we need help, we need to get troops in immediately.”

House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving then told him, “I’m going to run it up the chain (to Nancy Pelosi), I’ll get back to you.”

“He didn’t need to do that,” Sund said. “The law says he can allow me in case of emergency. But they didn’t… The next call was to (Senate Sergeant at Arms) Mike Stinger, who is now the President of the Capitol Police Board. I said ‘we’re handing over our asses to us on the Western Front.’ He said, ‘Let’s wait and see what we hear from Paul.’

Despite not having authorization, he said, over the next 71 minutes, Sund made 32 calls to partner agencies. “My first thought was, Crap, I’ll take whatever discipline comes my way. Send me whatever you get. This is the text that the Secret Service turned over. Do you know how he lost all his lessons? This is a text between their chief (Thomas) Sullivan and me. Thank God for that.”

At 2:09 p.m., Sund finally received approval to seek federal assistance. “I was so furious I shouted at my watch commander, John Wisham: ‘Mark the time 2:10 p.m., finally I’ve got clearance for the National Guard’.”

Tucker Carlson pointed out that Nancy Pelosi later compared January 6 to Pearl Harbor, the worst mutiny ever on American soil, and yet failed to allow Sundt to bring in the National Guard for 71 minutes . Sund said, “He should have known what was happening.” “There was a fight going on right outside Mike Stinger’s office.”

“It doesn’t sound like people want to get to the bottom of this,” Sund said. “It’s shocking.” The J-6 Investigative Committee was chaired by Representative Benny Thompson. Nancy Pelosi declared “out of bounds”Sund said. But 28 July 2021Thompson claimed that “nothing is off limits” in the ostentatious witch hunt, apparently referring to Donald Trump and not Pelosi.

House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving left the House on January 7 and has been largely invisible since then, Sund said, but was “extremely loyal” to Nancy Pelosi.

The 340 troop was activated in DC for traffic control, Sund said, not specifically for crowd control. “At 1:51 p.m., I called General (William) Walker and said ‘send me the National Guard’, I’ll have clearance any time now.” Shortly after 2:09 p.m., Sund called Walker Told that the deployment of the National Guard to the Capitol had been approved. However, at 2:34 p.m. Sund was summoned for a talk with Army Director Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt and Gen. Charles Flynn, deputy of staff for operations. major.”The response was, I don’t like the look of the National Guard on Capitol Hill.”

“I said ‘Sir, this is life and death.’ He said, ‘My recommendation is not to support the request.’ I still remember (Washington, DC Police Chief) Robert Conte saying, ‘You’re turning down the chief of the Capitol Police?’

“I’m still on call when we had Ashley Babbitt shooting. I said, ‘We opened fire on the US Capitol, is that important enough for you now?’ … Do you know when the National Guard finally arrived? at 6 pm.” Sund said the 180 soldiers under Capitol guard were withdrawn to the DC Armory and replaced by Sham soldiers. “You know what else he did? The Pentagon sent resources to protect the generals’ homes, but not me… I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I can see where people start to go down that rabbit hole.

When the National Guard finally showed up at the Capitol at 6 p.m., Sund said, “They made them stand up with their shields and they took pictures for military magazines with the Capitol in the background. He was very concerned about the optics he said.

Sund said, the New Jersey State Police marched 200 miles and beat the DC National Guard to the Capitol. Sund said, “I had men and women from the DC National Guard who were so angry that they weren’t allowed to respond.” “They were very upset.”

National Guard “General (William) Walker called me and said, ‘Steve, I feel terrible.’ They said they were not allowed to go. The Pentagon was not allowing it.” The DoD had emergency response authority, Sund said, but did not respond.

When asked if there were federal agents in the Capitol that day, Sund said, “It would not be unusual”. However, he was not informed of such presence.

As of January 6, the FBI was tracking 18 or 19 domestic terrorism suspects who were reported to be coming to DC for January 6. “Of course he will have the resources, not just an agent. This would be standard police work. I would not be surprised by this. But not to share that (information)? This is worrisome.”

Sund warned, “I don’t want to say anywhere that the agencies instigated this.” “A lot of these agencies came to my rescue. But if you think 19 domestic terrorists are coming to an event, it must have been included in a report somewhere.

Tucker asked Sund about “those in the crowd who were inciting others to break the law and who were not arrested,” such as Ray Epps. Sund said Epps was seen on January 6 at a Pennsylvania Avenue gate with signs that read “Restricted,” whispering in a man’s ear, just before the man began attacking the officers.

On January 7, Nancy Pelosi blamed a “failure of leadership at the top” on Steven Sand, who resigned on January 8. He was then replaced by Officer Yoganand Pitman, an intelligence officer with the Capitol Police Force, who would have been responsible for any intelligence failure on that day. On February 15, 2021, Pittman faced a 92% no-confidence vote from the Capitol Police Force and moved from Nancy Pelosi’s district to a higher-paying job as chief of the UC Berkeley Police UCPD, Sund reported. Sund explained that Pitman began working at the UCPD on February 1, 2023, while still collecting pay and benefits from the Capitol Police Force for several months. “It appears to be against department policy,” Sund said.

Sund said, “I know that the unit had important intelligence and that many people were passing that intelligence to the leadership.” “Many of them became informers, and many more were forced to resign.”

Tucker Carlson said, “It looks like a scam.”

“I knew something strange was going to happen soon. When they didn’t want me to testify, and then I started sitting down and talking with the officials, and looking through some of the e-mails from intelligence analysts being passed on to their officials, I knew something was wrong. How can one see all this and not think that something is strange?”




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